Smokin Monkey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I think this needs some clarification, and @Wade and @Mick are some of the best people to talk to. You can not go, with the idea of, oh I’ve got this sauce for my ribs and it is fantastic. Yes it may be fantastic, but in the world of Competition BBQ you would not get far. There is a standard taste etc, deviation and you wasting your time and money! When I did my Judges course at Smoke On The Waters, the evening before the competition and judges course, I spoke to a team, and the startling admission they made was, they do not like the taste of the BBQ dishes they make and submit, it’s too sweet etc, so all the practicing on expensive cuts like Brisket goes in the bin. @James Wales will back me up on this as we where gobsmacked! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Justin said: Sure, So what is a competition sauce? What is a glaze etc.....otherwise is it just smoked meat? What is not against the rules and what will get good scores are quite different, too much sauce is not a good idea but accepted, tough as boot brisket is perfectly legal but don't expect good points, you could try a ginger glaze and it would be legal but the judges job is to judge against the kcbs standard, tenderness and appearance also are judged 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Smokin Monkey said: I think this needs some clarification, and @Wade and @Mick are some of the best people to talk to. You can not go, with the idea of, oh I’ve got this sauce for my ribs and it is fantastic. Yes it may be fantastic, but in the world of Competition BBQ you would not get far. There is a standard taste etc, deviation and you wasting your time and money! When I did my Judges course at Smoke On The Waters, the evening before the competition and judges course, I spoke to a team, and the startling admission they made was, they do not like the taste of the BBQ dishes they make and submit, it’s too sweet etc, so all the practicing on expensive cuts like Brisket goes in the bin. @James Wales will back me up on this as we where gobsmacked! Spot on, teams are cooking for the judges who are in turn judging against the kcbs standard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Monkey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 My advice, and this is surprising that Teams do not do this is, sit the Judging Course then you know exactly what is expected of your turn ins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Hmm, who is in the team anyway if Mick and Ice are not? Just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Find the time to do the judging course was my issue last year. Hopefully easier this year. Which event has the next course when? QFEST is back next year. http://qfest.co.uk/ and has a judging course Smoke on the water of course, in September 5th 6th That is all i can find on google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Mick said: What is not against the rules and what will get good scores are quite different, too much sauce is not a good idea but accepted, tough as boot brisket is perfectly legal but don't expect good points, you could try a ginger glaze and it would be legal but the judges job is to judge against the kcbs standard, tenderness and appearance also are judged I think maybe we are confusing sauce with glaze but whatever. At the moment the team is one person. Fat chance of that working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor72 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Justin digger posted this and initiated it I’ve expressed interest. However we are both busy working today and haven’t had time to respond . You are putting the cart before the horse . And not listening to qualified judges on here ! And keep posting stuff that is not helpful and is overwhelming to answer in one day . Digger is lead on this so wait for him to have had a chance to respond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I am reading everything mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor72 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Yeah but your trying to solve everything today ! Just wait lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Not trying to solve just talking about the difference between sauces and glazes, But whatever, whenever you are ready mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Justin said: I think maybe we are confusing sauce with glaze but whatever. At the moment the team is one person. Fat chance of that working Look good, if we get another 4 I would be interested in joining a team and foregoing judging, my advice would be to choose a round each and try to perfect that at home and not interfere with, just help each other with their round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Monkey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mick said: Look good, if we get another 4 I would be interested in joining a team and foregoing judging, my advice would be to choose a round each and try to perfect that at home and not interfere with, just help each other with their round. Good advice Mick, I think that is what most teams do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Looks like it will be a good weekend. I can’t promise I would be available so I wouldn’t want to put myself forward. Hope you guys have a good time though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It might also be a good idea to put the judging advice on a different thread as it could get this thread a bit clogged up. Otherwise people might take ages to get through the thread before putting down whether they are up for taking part or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) You are right Simon, Diggerz posted first about going to the event, not competing or judging or anything but between us all we have gone on loop of teams and judges interpretations. I will set up a message conversation instead so Steve can tidy up this thread. @Smokin Monkey Edited November 4, 2019 by Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotv Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Please don't take this to a message thread. This is an interesting topic to follow for outsiders, from a seedling of an idea to hopefully a team competing at Maldon. Edited November 4, 2019 by sotv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 we have talked about this a few times before this thread, but ok. Message done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, sotv said: Please don't take this to a message thread. This is an interesting topic to follow for outsiders, from a seedling of an idea to hopefully a team competing at Maldon. Yes good idea on the open forum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) I believe just keep an entry here asking if people want to to find out more about joining a woodsmoke forum competition teams for bbq judged events and when people say yes interested or want to find out more we can post there and invite them to this message board. I think we try and keep the message board on arrangements equipment team news etc. I think also we set up separate message board for any one team to sort our dishes allocation arrangements etc...we can put up photos and news reviews etc on the this itself maybe eventually with its own subject like we do for tailgates. If we achieve this that is. No point putting up team arrangements here as it will just be pages of arrangements. Edited November 5, 2019 by Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Team one so far is Mick, Raptor, Justin and Diggerg with room for one more person. If we get more then team 2. First event is Maldon August 2020 so plenty of time to arrange , fill out equipment and practice dishes. Of course if we discover a early than August smaller event then maybe try that first? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 1:35 PM, Justin said: Of course if we discover a early than August smaller event then maybe try that first? Justin - I never took you as being a wimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Lol, I figure cock it up before Maldon is good learning experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 You will be surprised. OK, in the major events the new teams are unlikely to win the whole competition however it is not unusual for them to come top in an individual category if everything goes right on the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 We will get out act together maybe after the new year. Mick is finding an equipment list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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